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Customer Complaints Summary
- 107 total complaints in the last 3 years.
- 29 complaints closed in the last 12 months.
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Initial Complaint
Date:05/28/2025
Type:Billing IssuesStatus:AnsweredMore info
Complaint statuses
- Resolved:
- The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.
- Unresolved:
- The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.
- Answered:
- The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.
- Unanswered:
- The business failed to respond to the dispute.
- Unpursuable:
- BBB is unable to locate the business.
I was charged three times for water on my May rent. As I understand it, these water charges were on May's bill because YES Energy Management failed to bill me for water in October and November of 2024. However, these new charges are far higher than I have ever been charged for water before. I also have no invoice from Yes Energy Management explaining these charges. I contacted customer service who couldn't even see the charges initially. It had to be elevated to get somebody to acknowledge these charges existed. When I explained the fact that these charges are improbably high, they didn't respond. When I started going back through the charges I've had, I noticed they charged me for water three times in April as of 2024 as well. I couldn't find any missing charges prior to April of 2024. These charges seem to be completely erroneous.I'm happy to pay what was missed back in October and November, but I am not happy with being overcharged for it. Hence I am asking for a partial refund which I believe to be fair based on what I was billed for water in years prior. I am also baffled that this is happening yearly. It feels like they are tacking on unfounded charges to customer bills to balance their books at the end of the fiscal year hoping customers don't notice. Also, customer service has been largely unhelpful.Business Response
Date: 06/21/2025
[[BBB transcription via email]]
The missed charges were due to missed charges by your local provider, not YES Energy Management. There was a memo on your billing statement explaining the back billed charges placed on your invoice. Although water was flowing to the building, the usage bypassed the meter, resulting in an underbilling for water usage. The local provider's solution was to back-bill average usage based on the previous 10-year period and back-billed accordingly. This calculation came in around $5 or so higher than you are used to seeing, but since this is based on a 10-year average, charges are not going to match what you usually see. Our research has shown the calculation to be accurate based on what the local provider charged, and units of similar size and occupancy were charged the same. As we have followed the vendor's guidance for back-billing, we are not in a position to recommend any credits at this time. We will be notifying your property manager of your concern and that you have requested a credit as authorization for a credit would have to come from them.
Initial Complaint
Date:05/27/2025
Type:Billing IssuesStatus:AnsweredMore info
Complaint statuses
- Resolved:
- The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.
- Unresolved:
- The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.
- Answered:
- The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.
- Unanswered:
- The business failed to respond to the dispute.
- Unpursuable:
- BBB is unable to locate the business.
My apartment management company uses this service to bill for water, sewage and trash. Recently there's been a couple months where the billing for these services have not been received in a timely manner. For example, there is currently 4 working days left in the month and I'm without a bill. Credit cards, loans, and most other creditors provide ample time to budget ones finances according EXCEPT this company. Please fix this problem!Business Response
Date: 06/08/2025
Hello,
Thank you for your inquiry. My research shows that your statements are typically sent on the 19th business day of each month. This does translate into you receiving your statement towards the end of every month. Mail dates are typically set based on when we receive statements from your local provider. In this case, it appears that we receive those later in the month and had to set the mail date accordingly so that we are not billing too far in arrears.
With that said, you are receiving a statement via email so that you can make payment as soon as you receive. It appears that you can make payments via your management companies' online portal, so you should have plenty of time to remit payments. I show these emails have been successfully delivered to your email address over past months. I also show that we have historically emailed your statements out on the following dates: 05/27/25, 04/24/25, 03/18.25, 02/27/25. For budgeting purposes, it would be safe to assume that you will be receiving a statement roughly between the 24th and 27th of each month with charges due on the 1st of the following month.
If you have any further questions, please contact our customer service department at the number give on your statement, or you can email us at [email protected] and will be happy to assist.
Thank you!
Customer Answer
Date: 06/11/2025
Complaint: 23380440
I am rejecting this response because:I also sent an email to my property management, [email protected], who informed me that they can only send the email on the bill once they get it from yes energy.
That said, in the yes energy response, that billing typically happens from the 24 to the 27th leaving just 3 to 6 days to budget accordingly on the typical 30 day month.
I feel that yes energy could be doing a better job given that everybody, cell phone, credit cards, personal loans, etc. give at least 10 days notice before the due date giving an ample amount of time to budget.
It's unfortunate that with todays economy that a 50 dollar utility bill requires more time to budget appropriately but that's the way it is. Yes energy could be a bit more cognitive of that as I'm sure I'm not the only one that 50 dollars matters to.
Sincerely,
Brad LoerzelInitial Complaint
Date:05/25/2025
Type:Customer Service IssuesStatus:AnsweredMore info
Complaint statuses
- Resolved:
- The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.
- Unresolved:
- The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.
- Answered:
- The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.
- Unanswered:
- The business failed to respond to the dispute.
- Unpursuable:
- BBB is unable to locate the business.
This company has horrible customer service and actively avoids resolving or even giving a clear explanation for issues there customers have. Very unprofessional and borderline disrespectful. They treat customers like meaningless ants, as they are a powerful utility company with no check & balances. Avoid at all costs!!Business Response
Date: 05/26/2025
I am sorry to hear about your experience with us. Please provide us with the details of your inquiry so that we can investigate your past interactions with us and assist you. Please provide the name of your property and your address along with the issue you need addressed and we will investigate accordingly.Customer Answer
Date: 05/27/2025
Complaint: 23376134
I am rejecting this response because: See attached for proof of an over 280% increase in utility statements from April when it was a different company to May when you took over. There is no justified answer for this level of price increase, either from your staff or my apartment complex, which is *******************... I've also attached a screenshot of your company's reviews online, and it follows the trend of inflated bills and unclear billing practices. I sense some lawsuits heading your way!
Sincerely,
*** *********Business Response
Date: 06/08/2025
Thank you for providing the details for your complaint. I show that you contacted our customer service department on 4/18/25 and 6/4/25. On both occasions, we did respond to your inquiry to explain the billing method being used to charge your unit. The piece that I think the agent failed to acknowledge, was your question about a 280% increase. The April ********** statement you provided was for a service period of 2/20/25 - 2/28/25. This is only an 8-day period. Your first statement from YES is for 2/28/25 -3/31/25. This is a 31-day service period, this is the reason you saw such a dramatic increase.
I have confirmed you are being charged correctly for all commodities and your charges are comparable to other units in your property with the same # of occupants. They are also comparable to ********** billing methods used.
Hot Water Heating, Water, Sewer, and Stormwater are all being billed back to you using a RUBs methodology based 100% on occupancy in your unit. Trash is billed back using an even prorated method, meaning the total trash charges for the property are divided evenly amongst all units.
A RUBS method is used when there are no submeters in your unit to measure your individual usage. The local provider sends an invoice containing cost and consumption data for the entire property and these charges are then allocated out based on the allocation formula as discussed above. This means that residents are not billed based on their own individual usage but rather are allocated charges from the shared Master bill. It is also important to note that your property is paying 25-30% of the initial charges, before allocating the remainder of charges out to their residents.
This should help clarify the method in which you are billed, and the service period information should clear up your question as to why you saw such an increase from April to May.
Thank you,
Customer Answer
Date: 06/12/2025
Complaint: 23376134
I am rejecting this response because: You claim a 3 day difference between billing statements is the justified reasoning behind an over 280% increase? No, I don't think so, and you know better than that as well.The true reasoning is that your billing model and practices are proven and confirmed by your online reviews that you are unethical. The previous utility company before you billed based off of individual unit usage, whereas your company deliberately bills based off of several units lumped together. Thanks to your business model, there is no incentive for tenants to be individually energy conscious & efficient, since my neighbor can simply use all the energy they want and I'll get lumped into their usage. We are only 2 people in our 2 bedroom apartment, and even tested this theory out last month, where we traveled frequently and weren't in our apartment as much as compared to the month prior. So how could we possibly receive an even higher bill from the month previous when we physically were home less with no way of any utility being used or left on?
You can respond with every generic response you'd like in order to try and save face with the BBB, but the truth, customer reviews and lawsuits against your company speaks volumes! No other way left to sugar coat it, you have unfair billing practices and are an unethical company... bring back my old service provider ASAP!!
Sincerely,
*** *********Initial Complaint
Date:05/17/2025
Type:Service or Repair IssuesStatus:AnsweredMore info
Complaint statuses
- Resolved:
- The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.
- Unresolved:
- The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.
- Answered:
- The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.
- Unanswered:
- The business failed to respond to the dispute.
- Unpursuable:
- BBB is unable to locate the business.
I am filing a formal complaint against Yes Energy Management (**************) for grossly inaccurate and escalating water bills at my residence:********************************************** (Resident ID #*********** live in a household of four people, and our water usage habits have not changed. However, my water bills have increased dramatically and without justification over the last few months:February: ***** gallons March: ****** gallons April: ****** gallons These amounts are completely unreasonable and not reflective of actual use. There are no leaks in the unitI have confirmed this personally and submitted supporting photos of my water meter. Yet instead of investigating the issue in a timely manner, the company has delayed the inspection until June, while continuing to bill me for inflated usage and issue past due ********** is unacceptable to penalize customers with threats of collections, fees, and shut-off notices while an open dispute is still unresolved. I have cooperated fully, documented everything, and made multiple good faith efforts to get this correctedand Im now being punished for their delay and failure to act.I am demanding:A complete investigation into my billing history and water meter Immediate suspension of all late fees, past due notices, and collection threats until the dispute is resolved Correction of any billing errors and appropriate credits for any overcharges I expect this matter to be taken seriously. If not, I will escalate further to the ************************************** and Consumer Protection agencies.Sincerely,******* ********* Unit ****************************************************************************Business Response
Date: 06/16/2025
Our research shows that we have researched this issue numerous times based on complaints to our customer service team and to your property management team. Each time, we have found that you are being billed correctly and there were no red flags with your readings. On average, 1 occupant will use approximately ***** gallons of water per month. With 4 occupants, ****** or more gallons usage in a month is not unheard of. Your property management company should check the unit for leaks. If you have not already, I would recommend a dye test to be sure that your toilet is not running. ***** times, a toilet can have a leak without you being able to see. If you place food coloring in the tank (preferably before bed) and leave overnight, the water should remain clear if there are no leaks. If the water in the bowl has color, then you have a leak. A leak like this could potentially waste enough water to get the consumption you are seeing.
With that said, we have confirmed that you are also scheduled for a meter check this month so that we can rule out any issues with the meter. Your property management company will not authorize any credits until they can see the results of this check to confirm if there is an issue with your meter. Any credits would have to be authorized by them. If it is determined that there is an issue with your meter, next steps will have to be discussed at that time.
Thank you,
Initial Complaint
Date:05/13/2025
Type:Billing IssuesStatus:AnsweredMore info
Complaint statuses
- Resolved:
- The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.
- Unresolved:
- The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.
- Answered:
- The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.
- Unanswered:
- The business failed to respond to the dispute.
- Unpursuable:
- BBB is unable to locate the business.
Hello. I'd like to know why you charge us $5/month (plus $10 to set up an account) for dividing utility charges amongst tenants of a building? We are not owners; we are renters. You are providing a professional service to ******* ... not to us (the tenants). As such, you are ensuring ******* is paid each month. Why are you charging me (the tenant) to ensure ******* is paid? If ******* wants to ensure they are paid, they can pay the fee to you. You are providing a service ... for which ******* should pay you. It is unclear to me why I am being charged to pay a bill each month ... which I can do that any number of other ways ... for FREE. As for $10 to set up an account ..... It's quite a setup you have. $70/unit/year x the number of units in our complex. And the tenant gets what for that money? Nothing. ******* does.Business Response
Date: 05/15/2025
YES Energy Management is responsible for sending the utility statements, but the fees are collected by ******* directly. Both the administration fee and the account activation fees are determined by ******* in order to recoup administrative and operating costs associated with managing their utility program. For additional details on your YES utility statements you can contact our customer service department by phone at ************ or by email at ****************************************Initial Complaint
Date:05/11/2025
Type:Service or Repair IssuesStatus:AnsweredMore info
Complaint statuses
- Resolved:
- The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.
- Unresolved:
- The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.
- Answered:
- The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.
- Unanswered:
- The business failed to respond to the dispute.
- Unpursuable:
- BBB is unable to locate the business.
Yes Energy registration will not allow me to register. I have tried no less than **************************************** I am receiving bills from TEP and Yes Energy - I continue to try and reach someone and no one answers, the calls are constantly dropped before connection, no one returns a phone call. This is just ridiculous.Business Response
Date: 05/14/2025
We attempted to call you to walk through the process of setting up your account online but were unable to reach you and the inbox is currently full so we were unable to leave a voicemail.
We verified that the mailing address on file at TEP for this home is the correct YES Energy Mgmt. PO Box, so you should not be receiving duplicate invoices from YES and TEP. We confirmed the customer service number on your statement is correct and active but in the meantime, you can email our customer service team at *************************************** with additional questions. To register your account online you will need go to ************************** and select the "New User Registration" link. The register online you will need your registration code which is listed as the "Resident ID" on your YES statement immediately underneath your name, along with the "Unit Number" which is also listed on your YES Statement directly below the property address. Screen shots highlighting where to locate this information are available on the website by hovering over the question mark icon next to each item.
If you are still experiencing problems registering your account online, please email us at the address above and we can set up a time to talk on the phone to provide further assistance.Initial Complaint
Date:05/06/2025
Type:Service or Repair IssuesStatus:AnsweredMore info
Complaint statuses
- Resolved:
- The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.
- Unresolved:
- The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.
- Answered:
- The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.
- Unanswered:
- The business failed to respond to the dispute.
- Unpursuable:
- BBB is unable to locate the business.
Ive received a bill from the yes management company for charges that are not explainable. Im disputing all charges as by law Im only entitled to pay what I use in my unit. You cannot have a shared meter and expect other people to pay for gas or water not used. The bill needs to be put in the complex name until it is resolved.Business Response
Date: 05/24/2025
Water, Wastewater, and gas are billed back using a RUBs (Ratio Utility Billing) methodology. This method is used when there are no sub-meters in your unit to measure individual usage. The cost from the local providers master meter invoice is billed back based on 50% occupancy and 50% square footage in your unit. There is a 5% Common Area Deduction taken off the initial vendor charges, meaning your property management/owner is paying for 5% of all charges before charges are allocated out to the units. We have verified all charges are allocating correctly to your unit.
RUBs is not overseen by the same regulatory body as other aspects of utility billing, and we have confirmed this method to be allowable in your area. All the information shown in your attachments appears to relate to shared sub-meters, which is a different setup than what you have. There are not any sub-meters being used to measure usage or calculate charges. All usage is measured on the propertys master meter by the local provider. With the RUBS method, the providers master meter invoice cost is shared commonly across the whole property using the method explained above.
Trash is billed back at a flat fee of $10.00
Electricity is not billed back by YES Energy Management. Any questions regarding these charges will need to be directed to your local utility provider.
If you have any further questions, please contact our customer service department at the number listed on your invoice or you can email ******************************************************
Customer Answer
Date: 05/27/2025
Complaint: 23293269
I am rejecting this response because: what do you explained in your answer is not what is in our lease there is nothing that states 50% of anything and does not say anything about a shared meter. There was 1 m for each building that is shared by the number of units that are in the building. Im pretty sure that is a shared meter. There is nothing that states how many apartments are in there or how many there has to be the * energy management just had a $2.8 million lawsuit for overcharging fee fees. I should not have to be billed five dollars for utility charges and a one time administration fee. Your answer does not coincide with what is in the lease.
*incerely,
****** ******Initial Complaint
Date:04/29/2025
Type:Billing IssuesStatus:AnsweredMore info
Complaint statuses
- Resolved:
- The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.
- Unresolved:
- The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.
- Answered:
- The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.
- Unanswered:
- The business failed to respond to the dispute.
- Unpursuable:
- BBB is unable to locate the business.
I am writing to express my deep concern and frustration regarding the recent water bill totaling $913, which I believe is a result of invoices not being submitted in a timely manner to my billing provider, YES Energy Management. This delay, which has accumulated over a span of three months, has placed an unexpected and unfair financial burden on me and my family.After reaching out to several individuals, I was informed that YES Energy Management is responsible for all utility billing matters and that the billing originates from the local water municipal districts. While I understand there may have been a delay in meter reads or invoice submissions, it is unacceptable that these internal issues are now being passed on to residents in the form of a lump-sum bill.This situation raises several questions:Why were there no notifications or interim estimates provided during the three-month delay?Why did it take multiple inquiries to receive a clear explanation of the issue?What steps are being taken to prevent this type of billing delay from occurring in the future?I respectfully request a thorough review of this matter, including any documentation of when invoices were received and posted. I am also requesting a payment adjustment or accommodation, as this situation was completely beyond my control and should not be penalized as if it were a result of negligence on my part.Business Response
Date: 05/05/2025
Thank you for your inquiry. Our research shows that due to a communication gap between FirstKey and YES, posting of utility charges was missed for your property over the span of a couple of months. Since we directly pass through vendor charges, there are no estimates used when charges are not posted for any reason. We have reached out to ******** to clarify our process to ensure that no charges are missed in the future.
Invoices were received on time and would have been posted accurately and timely if not for the communication discrepancy described above. I have attached a screenshot showing the dates of all invoices received as you requested.
Once the discrepancy was discovered, FirstKey opted to bill back the missed charges and posted all missed charges to your ledger at once as you indicated. You mentioned that a total of $913.00 was billed to you. We did confirm that credits for Electric charges in the amount of $260.32 have since been credited to your ledger as you were not supposed to receive those charges.In regard to the remaining amount, we have contacted ******** and communicated your request for payment accommodation, as they would need to make these arrangements with you. We have also asked them to reach out to you but would recommend you reach out to them directly to ensure a timely resolution to this portion of your complaint.
If you have any additional questions, please feel free to reach out to us at the number indicated on your billing statement or email us at ******************************************************.Initial Complaint
Date:04/21/2025
Type:Service or Repair IssuesStatus:AnsweredMore info
Complaint statuses
- Resolved:
- The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.
- Unresolved:
- The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.
- Answered:
- The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.
- Unanswered:
- The business failed to respond to the dispute.
- Unpursuable:
- BBB is unable to locate the business.
I live at ******************** owned by Sentinel. I filed 2 complaints last year regarding the same issue - BBB Complaints 6/22/24 ******** and 9/20/24 ******** - where Yes Energy over-charged me for *************** Now, again Yes Energy is over-charging for ************** for March and April 2025. They need to quit doing this. I'm sure they are doing it to other residents also. Please have them adjust my bill! Thank you!Business Response
Date: 05/05/2025
As explained in your previous complaints, if the hauler for Waste Management is late invoicing them, Waste Management will in turn bill back trash charges without hauler charges and will then add the missed hauler charges to the bill the following month. When this occurs, it will result in a higher charge to you for that specific month, but it does not mean you are being over billed.
Because this scenario is rather common, the Waste Management invoice is going to fluctuate from month to month. We have confirmed that all charges billed back to you are correct, but you are going to continue to see fluctuations in this charge in some months depending on the time hauler charges are invoiced to Waste Management. Based on our research, no credits will be recommended.
If you have any questions on future invoices, please feel free to contact us at the number on your invoice or at ******************************************************.
Initial Complaint
Date:04/05/2025
Type:Service or Repair IssuesStatus:AnsweredMore info
Complaint statuses
- Resolved:
- The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.
- Unresolved:
- The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.
- Answered:
- The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.
- Unanswered:
- The business failed to respond to the dispute.
- Unpursuable:
- BBB is unable to locate the business.
So my water and sewer is Yes Management we pay through our rent. Somehow my water and sewer at some point jumped up from 40 or 50 dollars to ******. my mom lives in a 5 bedroom house with 6 people and pays 35. Talk about price gouging or ripping people off. We live in government housing and working to get a home and you can't win because companies are aloud to rip people off without explanation. You cannot talk with a person in face when I called the number on the bill. It was not a valid number. Please check in to this.Business Response
Date: 04/21/2025
We have verified that there is an issue with the customer service number on your bill. We are addressing this. In the meantime, you may reach out to our customer service team via email at *************************************** with any questions you may have. We apologize for any inconvenience.
Our research shows that consumption for November and December was estimated at ***** gallons each month as meter data was not being transmitted. This estimate was calculated based on 3 months of previous usage in your unit.
Once that issue was fixed, we were able to obtain actual consumption for November and December. That usage was trued up in addition to the January consumption which is why your bill for January consumption was higher at ***** gallons.
February consumption was still slightly higher than previous months at ***** gallons. We contacted your property management team and learned that maintenance did enter your unit on 2/9/25. and replaced a toilet flapper but found no other issues. This could have been contributing to some of the higher usage. A work order has been placed to be sure there are no other issues.
March usage came in at ***** gallons and is on the lower end of usage we expect to see in a unit with 3 residents. ***** is trending the same. Each person can use up to ***** gallons per month depending on individual habits, etc. We suspect the toilet flapper could have contributed to higher usage in previous months.
Lastly, we have notified your property manager that you are requesting a credit as they will need to approve and place any credits on your account.
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