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  SMI Card Services, LLC

  PO Box 2489 Carrollton, GA 30112-0046

  
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  SMI Card Services, LLC

  PO Box 33440 San Antonio, TX 78265

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• Initial Complaint

  Date:10/19/2023

  Type:Product Issues
  Status:

  ResolvedMore info

  Complaint statuses

  Resolved:

  The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.

  Unresolved:

  The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.

  Answered:

  The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.

  Unanswered:

  The business failed to respond to the dispute.

  Unpursuable:

  BBB is unable to locate the business.

  They have been locking my card out of nowhere as of this summer randomly.I tried to use my card on 10/16 & it declined when I knew had funds. I attempted my card a 2/3 more times baffled as to why I couldn't use it.I go to my ******** says my card is "LOCKED BY USER", which was not the case.I try to unlock it in the app & get a message " Unable to process the request. If you have any questions, please call the number on the back of the card."Back in June when this first happened to me I received an email from their FRAUD mailbox ********************************************************* but this time no call/email was ever ***************** even checked my SPAM folder. I call *************) & even called *************) that I found via ****** from 10/16-10/19 & would get the following:-Press 1 for ************** 1 for **** **************************** (Other options not selected: 2 activate, 3 report stolen, 4 pin, 9 repeat)-Enter in the Last 4 of your card -Enter in the Last 4 of your Social -Then the system confirms my available balance -Press 1 for ********************** (Other options not selected: 2 how to load $)Then it tells me to login online to get basic acct info and goes into the following -Press 1 for Bal 2 activate 3 report stolen 4 credits/debits 5 fees 8 prev menu 9 repeat There is no option to speak to a person or actually get to customer service at all!!!!!I then sent a request via support online/app & got a default email on 10/16/23 at 10:41 CST from *********************************** stating that a rep would contact me within ***** hours. When I didn't get one as of 10/18 I submitted another help ticket because I was getting nowhere with the phone prompts everyday.This a.m. I had forwarded my response to both emails to **************** I literally had to input my information wrong when calling by mistake today in order to finally get to a live person and not get hung up on by the system for too many attempts at pressing 0!This is unacceptable & things need to be fixed.

  

  Business Response

  Date: 10/24/2023

  We value your feedback and appreciate you bringing this to our attention. We looked into your concerns regarding the difficulties you have experienced and have some information to share with you.

  smiONE takes fraud prevention very seriously and we are dedicated to protecting our customers. On October 16, 2023, our fraud monitoring system detected high-risk activity being attempted to your card. During the authorization process, address verification was failed, causing the transaction to be denied for suspected fraud. On October 19, 2023, you spoke with customer service and confirmed the attempted activity was valid, thereby resolving our fraud-related concerns.

  Your feedback on the smiONE automated system was shared with our management team and updates have been implemented to improve the overall customer experience.

  We apologize for the frustration these issues may have caused. If you have any questions about your smiONE card account or want to discuss your concerns further, our agents are available 24 hours a day at **************. You can also write to ** at P.O. Box ****, **********, ** 30112.

  We look forward to serving you in the future!

  Sincerely,

  The smiONE Team

  Customer Answer

  Date: 10/24/2023

   
  Better Business Bureau:
  
  I have reviewed the response made by the business in reference to complaint ID ********, and find that this resolution is satisfactory to me.

  While a phone call to verify still would've been preferred in this instance where my preferences for email and text apparently were either cleared by an update or prior rep. 

  I was able to discern after receiving your explanation that am old address was set as default on my account where I was making the purchase and I've updated the information on that end to hopefully not have this issue again going forward. 

  Sincerely,
  
  ***************************

• Initial Complaint

  Date:10/17/2023

  Type:Sales and Advertising Issues
  Status:

  ResolvedMore info

  Complaint statuses

  Resolved:

  The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.

  Unresolved:

  The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.

  Answered:

  The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.

  Unanswered:

  The business failed to respond to the dispute.

  Unpursuable:

  BBB is unable to locate the business.

  On the 19th of September at ******* a forced charge of 90$ took place on my child support card. I filed a complaint with SmiOne card services for them to look into the matter and they determined nothing wrong had happened. Unfortunately, I did not shop at the store that day. All of my purchased made with that card are recorded on the ******* app. I am confused how they can say nothing wrong was done. I have had the card for years. If there was not enough money on the card the purchase would not go through and I would have to use another card. At this point I am confused and frustrated to where my child support went.

  

  Business Response

  Date: 10/25/2023

  We appreciate you taking the time to bring this to our attention. The dispute process can sometimes be a frustrating experience and we sincerely apologize for the confusion and inconvenience.

  On October 18, 2023, one of our agents was able to connect with you directly to discuss your concerns. An in-depth review of your dispute claim was conducted, and a summary of our findings was sent to you via email, the following day. If you have any more questions about the final resolution, please don't hesitate to contact the smiONE Dispute Team. We're here to help you Monday through Friday from 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM CST/ 8:00 AM to 8:00 PM EST.

  If you have additional questions about your smiONE card account or wish to discuss your concerns in greater detail, our agents are available 24 hours a day at **************. You can also write to ** at P.O. Box ****, **********, ** 30112.

  We look forward to serving you in the future!

  Sincerely,

  The smiONE Team

  Customer Answer

  Date: 10/25/2023

   
  Better Business Bureau:
  
  I have reviewed the response made by the business in reference to complaint ID ********, and find that this resolution is satisfactory to me. Thank you for taking the time to assist me. I am so glad this service exsists to protect the consumer. 
  
  Sincerely,
  
  ***********************

• Initial Complaint

  Date:10/10/2023

  Type:Service or Repair Issues
  Status:

  AnsweredMore info

  Complaint statuses

  Resolved:

  The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.

  Unresolved:

  The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.

  Answered:

  The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.

  Unanswered:

  The business failed to respond to the dispute.

  Unpursuable:

  BBB is unable to locate the business.

  I have been unable to reach a live person for weeks. I just get shuttled around from automated menu to automated menu with no option to reach a customer service agent. The email service on their website doesn't work. My card was shut off suddenly and i can't find out why or reach anyone to talk about it or turn it back on. I also can't get into my online account because it says they have no record of me but when I call it has all my information on the automated system. I want a real person to call me so that i can get this fixed.

  

  Business Response

  Date: 10/12/2023

  Thank you for reaching out to smiONE and sharing your recent experience. We looked into your concerns and have some information to share with you.

  The smiONE Card Services automated system is sensitive to background noise. Excessive background noise, especially when utilizing the speaker phone function, can cause the system difficulty deciphering your touch tone entries. On October 11, 2023, one of our agents reached out to you to provide troubleshooting recommendations. She was also able to help you with your mobile banking profile and the temporary block on your card account.

  We take fraud prevention very seriously and are dedicated to protecting our customers. On October 3, 2023, our fraud monitoring system detected high-risk activity being attempted to your card. To safeguard your card account, the card was temporarily blocked until we could verify the recent activity with you. Once our agent connected with you and verified the activity,the temporary restriction was lifted immediately.

  If you have any questions or wish to discuss your concerns in greater detail, our agents are available 24 hours a day at **************.You can also write to ** at P.O. Box ****, **********, ** 30112.

  We truly appreciate your business and look forward to working with you again in the future.

  Sincerely,

  The smiONE Team

• Initial Complaint

  Date:09/20/2023

  Type:Service or Repair Issues
  Status:

  AnsweredMore info

  Complaint statuses

  Resolved:

  The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.

  Unresolved:

  The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.

  Answered:

  The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.

  Unanswered:

  The business failed to respond to the dispute.

  Unpursuable:

  BBB is unable to locate the business.

  I was in jail and ****** allowed fraud to happen on my account, The first time it happened that I noticed was back on March 28, 2023!! I wrote a nine (9) page letter explaining that I was in jail from January 13th until May 17, 2023! I also sent them proof of my incarceration. They refunded most of money that stole about two thousand dollars (*******) Now in the letters I told them that I was in Lorain County jail in ******, ****. Then on April 13th or 14th someone changed my phone number and days later changed the address in *****, *******. I have filed a dispute and an appeal. Someone stole the money I was saving for a down payment for a house! U can't believe I am going through this my lights at my house we're turned off and the gas because I didn't have access to my child support emergency funds I wanted to move over the summer months while my kids were out of school back to ****************** for my kids to be until they graduate. I have suffered much harm due to these events! I would like all money back plus damages! The bank knows that I don't live in ******* but ****. I sent them the police report and of my food that was spoiled and shut off notices and they didn't do anything. I need some help please help me

  

  Business Response

  Date: 09/27/2023

  The dispute process can be a stressful and trying experience.We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience or hardship you may have endured during this time and appreciate your patience while we looked into your concerns.

  After reviewing your account, we attempted to reach you at the phone number on file to help you with your dispute claims. Unfortunately, our agent has not been able to speak with you. Your dispute claims are currently under review and once we have finished our investigation, you will be notified of our findings within 3 business days. In the meantime, if you have any questions about your dispute claims, please don't hesitate to reach out to the smiONE Dispute Team. We're here to help you Monday through Friday from 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM CST/ 8:00 AM to 8:00 PM EST.

  If you have additional questions about your smiONE card account or wish to discuss your concerns in greater detail, our agents are available 24 hours a day at **************. You can also write to ** at P.O.Box ****, **********, ** 30112.

  Sincerely,

  The smiONE Team

  Customer Answer

  Date: 11/20/2023

  Complaint: 20633297
  
  I am rejecting this response because: Attached is supporting data.
  
  Sincerely,
  
  ***********************-mcfarlane     

  

  Business Response

  Date: 11/24/2023

  We have been trying to reach you to discuss the outcome of our review of your recent dispute claims, but our agents have not been to reach you at the phone number on file.
  

  On September 28, 2023, we completed our review, and you should have received communication via email regarding the results. If you have any questions about these results, please dont hesitate to reach out to the smiONE Dispute Team. We're here to help you Monday through Friday from 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM CST/ 8:00 AM to 8:00 PM EST.
  

  We apologize for the inconvenience you endured while we looked into this matter. If you have any questions about your smiONE card account or want to discuss your concerns further, our agents are available 24 hours a day at **************. You can also write to ** at P.O. Box ****, **********, ** 30112.
  

  Sincerely,
  

  The smiONE Team

• Initial Complaint

  Date:09/15/2023

  Type:Product Issues
  Status:

  AnsweredMore info

  Complaint statuses

  Resolved:

  The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.

  Unresolved:

  The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.

  Answered:

  The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.

  Unanswered:

  The business failed to respond to the dispute.

  Unpursuable:

  BBB is unable to locate the business.

  I became a customer of ********************** in March when child support orders were granted. I typically recieve payment between the 10th and 12th of the month. On July 12th, I checked my account and saw the deposit in my account. However, that evening when I went to make a charge for $1.99, it was denied. So when I went to look at my account, I saw my balance at $0. When I looked at my recent transactions it showed that someone had used my card at a golf shop for the entire balance in my account. (Which was extremely perplexing since i had the card in my posession.) I immediately reported my card lost/stolen and contacted both SmiONE and the retailer my card was used at. The retailer was closed until morning but when speaking with SmiONE's fraud department, i was reassured and felt confident that I would get my money returned. Once I spoke with the merchant, I found out that my card was most likely used online, as they would've had to have had my actual card if in store. However it still looked as though an actual card had been used. They tried to run my card for hundreds more, but were only able to use my balance. Without a name or order information the retailer could do little to help me. So I relied on SmiONEs reassurance that I would get my money back. Everyone I have spoken with at SmiONE saw this was fraud. Even informing me of the 2 charges on my account just prior to this that were declined do to lack of funds, but were identical except for minor details in the name of the person/business. As of today, I have been denied 4 or 5 times in every attempt to get my money back. I disputed, appealed, reopened, etc. I am now forced to go through law enforcement. I am at a loss to how this company can do this. Especially to those, like myself, who rely heavily on these payments. I just saw that this exact scenario happened to someone else a month prior, which only further makes me question the integrity of this company. This has caused a lot of irreparable damage for my *********

  

  Business Response

  Date: 09/20/2023

  Thank you for bringing this to our attention. The dispute process can be a trying experience and we appreciate your patience as we looked into your concerns.

  Weve been trying to reach you at the phone number on file to help you with your dispute claim and to answer any questions you may have.Unfortunately, our agent has not been able to connect with you. On September 15, 2023, your claim was re-opened, and you should have received communication via email regarding the results. If you have any questions about these results,please dont hesitate to reach out to the smiONE Dispute Team. We're here to help you Monday through Friday from 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM CST/ 8:00 AM to 8:00 PM EST.

  We apologize for the inconvenience you endured while we took care of this matter. If you have any questions about your smiONE card account or want to discuss your concerns further, our agents are available 24 hours a day at **************. You can also write to ** at P.O. Box ****, **********,** 30112.

  We look forward to serving you in the future!

  Sincerely,

  The smiONE Team

• Initial Complaint

  Date:09/06/2023

  Type:Product Issues
  Status:

  AnsweredMore info

  Complaint statuses

  Resolved:

  The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.

  Unresolved:

  The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.

  Answered:

  The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.

  Unanswered:

  The business failed to respond to the dispute.

  Unpursuable:

  BBB is unable to locate the business.

  There was fraud found on my child support card and this company has been notified. My card was closed on 8/8, however, they are refusing to return the stolen funds back to me. This company is trying to blame me for the compromise of my card info, which is not possible because the card is always in my possession. Since the closing of the card, there have been several attempts to use the card which can be seen on the declined transactions. I have filed a police report to help get this matter resolved and they are still giving me the run around. I lost about $1400.00-1500.00 buck due to their negligence. When this was first reported the customer service rep told me they seen a charge in ********* on the card which was blocked for fraud, but they are still refusing to believe that my card was compromised.

  

  Business Response

  Date: 09/11/2023

  We appreciate you bringing this to our attention. We reviewed your recent dispute claim and tried to reach you at the phone number on file for additional information. Unfortunately, our agent has not been able to connect with you.

  On September 6, 2023, your dispute claim was reopened and is currently in progress. Once we have finished our investigation, you will be notified of our findings within 3 business days. In the meantime, if you have any questions about your dispute claim or would like to request an update,please don't hesitate to reach out to the smiONE Dispute Team. We're here to help you Monday through Friday from 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM CST/ 8:00 AM to 8:00 PM EST.

  If you have any questions about your smiONE card account or want to discuss your concerns further, our agents are available 24 hours a day at **************. You can also write to ** at P.O. Box ****, **********, ** 30112.

  We look forward to serving you in the future!

  Sincerely,

  The smiONE Team

• Initial Complaint

  Date:07/26/2023

  Type:Service or Repair Issues
  Status:

  AnsweredMore info

  Complaint statuses

  Resolved:

  The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.

  Unresolved:

  The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.

  Answered:

  The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.

  Unanswered:

  The business failed to respond to the dispute.

  Unpursuable:

  BBB is unable to locate the business.

  on 07/20/2023 I contacted Smione about adding my card to apple wallet as with my other cards there was a verification process where I had to contact my cardholder or verify a posted transaction on my account, I contacted ********************** provided all answers to complete security questions and was told everything was settled with apple pay on my account, during this call I also mentioned to the representative that the number I was calling from was most accurate for me. Here it is a few days later and my card is declining everywhere, I contacted Smione's fruad department today 07/25/2023 and was told there was a misunderstanding we see the number is updated and we will get this account unlocked. After making a purchase I thought i was in the clear and a few hours later I am stranded at a gas station with no funds. This card is associated with child support or government funds so its concerning how someone calls me hours later 9PM at night and I am under the impression maybe a survey or something they are locking my card AGAIN. I requested today for a direct deposit form to be sent out to me so that I can deposit funds into my personal account they request i send my ID to **************** which I am now and very very upset to be stranded with my kids over their mistake. they acknowledged their mistake and still passing my information incorrectly around overtime we communicated

  

  Business Response

  Date: 08/01/2023

  Thank you for taking the time to share your experience with smiONE. We looked into your concerns regarding the difficulty you have experienced and would like to share some information with you.

  smiONE is committed to protecting our customers from fraud. On July 20, 2023, our fraud monitoring system detected a high-risk mobile wallet provisioning from an unrecognized phone number which was not associated with your card account profile. At that time, your card was temporarily blocked until the high-risk activity could be verified. To ensure we were only interacting with our customer, identifying documentation was also requested to verify your identity.

  Our records show that the documentation you submitted was approved on July 26,2023. We sincerely apologize for any frustration you experienced while we took the necessary steps to ensure the integrity of the account.

  If you have additional questions about your smiONE card account or want to discuss your concerns further, our agents are available 24 hours a day at **************.You can also write to ** at P.O. Box ****, **********, ** 30112.

  Sincerely,

  The smiONE Team

• Initial Complaint

  Date:06/06/2023

  Type:Product Issues
  Status:

  AnsweredMore info

  Complaint statuses

  Resolved:

  The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.

  Unresolved:

  The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.

  Answered:

  The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.

  Unanswered:

  The business failed to respond to the dispute.

  Unpursuable:

  BBB is unable to locate the business.

  Dates 2 12 23 2/5/23 2/9/23 ********** In store and online purchases.112.35 ***** ***** I disputed these charges because I did not make them one was actually made in a store Without a pin number with the card that I still had in my possession.

  

  Business Response

  Date: 06/12/2023

  Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We appreciate your feedback and your patience while we look into your concerns regarding recent disputes filed on your behalf.

  We've been trying to reach you to help you with your dispute claim and to answer any questions you may have. Please reach out to the smiONE Dispute Team at your earliest convenience. We're here to help you Monday through Friday from 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM CST/ 8:00 AM to 8:00 PM EST.

  If you have any questions about your smiONE card account or want to discuss your concerns further, our agents are available 24 hours a day at **************. You can also write to ** at P.O. Box ****, **********,** 30112.
  

  We look forward to serving you in the future!
  

  Sincerely,
  

  The smiONE Team

• Initial Complaint

  Date:06/01/2023

  Type:Product Issues
  Status:

  AnsweredMore info

  Complaint statuses

  Resolved:

  The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.

  Unresolved:

  The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.

  Answered:

  The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.

  Unanswered:

  The business failed to respond to the dispute.

  Unpursuable:

  BBB is unable to locate the business.

  I had to file a dispute and this is the second time I had to file a distpute with my card. I lost my card and charges where made and the first time May card was stolen by a family memeber while i was in the hospital and i was in a phych **** that was locked down and my card was used while i was in the hospital and the always deny the claims this is wrong because my money was stolen and this company does not investigate because if they did they would see that it was truly not me and return my funds to my card. this company got me put out my home the last time and this time i ***** my money for a bill again and they just deny people. I provided proof of me being in a facility and if they called to verify they would have seen that i was in the right and I again lost my card and they refunded the **** to cash app but the purchases the person made i did not get... please help me with this company

  

  Business Response

  Date: 06/07/2023

  Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We appreciate your feedback and your patience while we look into your concerns regarding recent disputes filed on your behalf.

  We've been trying to reach you to help you with your dispute claim and to answer any questions you may have. Please reach out to the smiONE Dispute Team at your earliest convenience. We're here to help you Monday through Friday from 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM CST/ 8:00 AM to 8:00 PM EST.

  If you have any questions about your smiONE card account or want to discuss your concerns further, our agents are available 24 hours a day at **************. You can also write to ** at P.O. Box ****, **********, ** 30112.

  We look forward to serving you in the future!

  Sincerely,

  The smiONE Team
  

  
  

• Initial Complaint

  Date:05/28/2023

  Type:Service or Repair Issues
  Status:

  ResolvedMore info

  Complaint statuses

  Resolved:

  The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.

  Unresolved:

  The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.

  Answered:

  The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.

  Unanswered:

  The business failed to respond to the dispute.

  Unpursuable:

  BBB is unable to locate the business.

  Debit card SMIONE card stolen along with other cards and meds on 4-8-23. I called to report was told someone **** call me on 4-11-23, that didn't happen I had to call them back. I called sheriffs and they said couldn't file complaint because no proof. Filed 1st fraud cnmplaiing and it was denied. Requested to reopen with more info because I was finally got to report police report which I sent to them. My mothers card was also stolen from her bank sent attachemnt for that and my dads meds as well sent police report for that as well. I was denied again and really never any explanation to why. This was done by a family member who asked to spend the night and he stole from us. All of my information was stolen from my purse so he was able to access my account. ********************** said this was not unusal activity on my card at total of over $1700.00. Several charges were denied and those of course are not being disputed. The activity was done in the wee hours starting at 3:10am. I take care of my homebound parents and I'm not out running the streets making 3 cash withdrawals or going to Greyhound park gambling, ****** app and Uber I have my own car. ! I did a test on their auto touch phone service to see how could someone access my pin #.If they have your card they don't need your pin#. My dl was stolen, my ss card as well so they had all my info. You call choose option 4 then enter ss# then CSV done they get a new number. A inquire was done on 4-8-23 to see how much money I had before they began taking the money.The camera system in the living room where my purse was he had disconnected it and it only does live streaming. Computer system was also hacked. I have a police report and you still aren't doing anything about it. The other debit card company have paid me back my money from those. I don't know what other info that I could possibley provide! Dont ya'll have insurance to cover things like this. My money was stolen and I would like it back.

  

  Business Response

  Date: 06/01/2023

  Thank you for your valuable feedback.

  We investigated your concerns regarding the outcome of a dispute, and we have some information to share with you.

  Our records show that a dispute was initiated on April 11, 2023. An in-depth review has been conducted of your account and due to compelling evidence, the original dispute outcome has been overturned. A summary of our findings was sent via email on May 31, 2023.

  If you have any more questions about the final resolution or the documents, please don't hesitate to contact the smiONE Dispute Team. We're here to help you Monday through Friday from 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM CST/ 8:00 AM to 8:00 PM EST.
  

  If you have additional questions about your smiONE card account or wish to discuss your concerns in greater detail, our agents are available 24 hours a day at **************. You can also write to ** at P.O.Box ****, **********, ** 30112.

  Sincerely,

  The smiONE Team

  Customer Answer

  Date: 06/02/2023

   
  Better Business Bureau:
  
  I have reviewed the response made by the business in reference to complaint ID ********, and find that this resolution is satisfactory to me.
  
  Sincerely,
  
  *************************