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  Len The Plumber, Inc.

  1552 Ridgely St Baltimore, MD 21230-2013

  
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  Len The Plumber

  7 Chelsea Pkwy Ste 709 Trainer, PA 19061

  
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  Len The Plumber

  8890 McGaw Rd, Ste 320 Columbia, MD 21045

  
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  Len The Plumber, Inc.

  2091 Springdale Rd Cherry Hill, NJ 08003

  
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  Len The Plumber

  6598B Fleet Dr Alexandria, VA 22310

  

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• Initial Complaint

  Date:07/01/2025

  Type:Customer Service Issues
  Status:

  ResolvedMore info

  Complaint statuses

  Resolved:

  The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.

  Unresolved:

  The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.

  Answered:

  The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.

  Unanswered:

  The business failed to respond to the dispute.

  Unpursuable:

  BBB is unable to locate the business.

  I had a new HVAC system installed in May. Len the Plumber did not get an electrical permit which is required by the county. I have called 6 times about this issue and haven't received a response and the permit still has not been obtained. The inspection for the mechanical permit for the same HVAC installation failed. I have called 3 times about this and have received no response either.
  I will be receiving fines from the county if this is not resolved soon.

  

  Business Response

  Date: 07/07/2025

  We had a technician go to the customers home today to resolve any issues necessary for inspection and are in the process of scheduling a follow-up inspection now.

  Customer Answer

  Date: 07/08/2025

  
  
  Better Business Bureau:
  
  
  
  I have reviewed the response made by the business in reference to complaint ID ********, and find that this resolution is satisfactory to me.
  
  
  
  
  Sincerely,
  
  
  
  ******** ********

• Initial Complaint

  Date:06/30/2025

  Type:Customer Service Issues
  Status:

  AnsweredMore info

  Complaint statuses

  Resolved:

  The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.

  Unresolved:

  The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.

  Answered:

  The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.

  Unanswered:

  The business failed to respond to the dispute.

  Unpursuable:

  BBB is unable to locate the business.

  On Saturday, May 10th, Len the Plumber came to my home to assess a plumbing issue. I paid a $1,900 deposit for proposed work, which we later had to cancel due to both the excessive cost (400% higher than a reputable local company) and the time delay to start the job. The job was never started or performed.
  
  On Tuesday, May 13th, ****** ****** from Len the Plumber left me a voicemail and followed up with a text message (which I still have), confirming that I would receive a refund of $1,552 (the deposit minus a $348 assessment fee) within 7–10 business days.
  
  As of June 11th, I have not received any refund.
  
  I have called the number she provided (610-256-9075) multiple times, but it always goes straight to voicemail. ****** identifies herself as being with Len the Plumber but never returns my messages. I have also sent two follow-up text messages, both of which have gone unanswered.
  
  In addition, I have contacted Len the Plumber’s main number and was told they would “pass it along to management.” Still, nothing has happened.
  
  This has put my family in a serious bind. I have two young children, including one with special needs, and I am also a caregiver for my 71-year-old mother. My wife and I are both public school teachers, and this $1,900 charge—which should have been largely refunded—is the equivalent of a mortgage payment.
  
  All I want is for Len the Plumber to honor their own written and verbal promise and return the funds owed to me. The service was not provided. The amount retained for the estimate was clearly communicated and acceptable. What is not acceptable is complete silence, broken promises, and lack of resolution.
  
  Resolution Requested:
  
  A refund of $1,552 to my credit card immediately, as originally promised.
  
  Written confirmation that the refund is being processed.
  
  Accountability for the delay and poor customer service.

  

  Business Response

  Date: 07/03/2025

  We thank Mr. ***** for bringing this to our attention and apologize for the delay. ****** is no longer employed by our company. We cannot be sure that his messages were received by the appropriate staff after her departure. Mr. ****'s refund was processed last night (see attached transaction confirmation) and should hit his account within the next few business days. 

• Initial Complaint

  Date:06/16/2025

  Type:Service or Repair Issues
  Status:

  AnsweredMore info

  Complaint statuses

  Resolved:

  The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.

  Unresolved:

  The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.

  Answered:

  The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.

  Unanswered:

  The business failed to respond to the dispute.

  Unpursuable:

  BBB is unable to locate the business.

  I had an issue where my  hvac  wasn't cooling my home. Len the Plumber technician comes out, asks me to authorize 1033 dollars to perform a leak detection. Technician informs me that the HVAC  coil is leaking but who cannot identify where. While I was on a phone call the tech suggested my other condenser get filled with refrigerant and a new capacitor, but also installs a 617 dollar "start kit" without my approval.Recommends I call a sales rep for a new HVAC  system. I'm still charged over 2400 dollars for under an hours worth of services Sales rep comes over, quotes me ****** for a new HVAC  system. Very pushy. Still trying to resolve my issue, I have another company come look at the HVAC  system, where he identifies the location of the leak in 20 minutes. Charges me 140 dollars.Len the Plumber charged me 1033 dollars to perform a leak detection that didn't happen, and 617 dollars for a "start-kit" i wasnt aware of. Refund  this purchase. The invoice indicates that I signed and agreed, however we did not go over the itemized invoice.

  

  Business Response

  Date: 06/19/2025

  Thank
  you for bringing this matter to our attention. We understand your concerns and
  take your feedback seriously.
  Our
  management team has reached out to you via email in an effort to address and
  resolve this issue. At this time, we are awaiting your response to move
  forward. For your reference, we have attached a copy of the email that was
  sent. We
  look forward to hearing from you soon. 

   

  Mr. ********,
  Thanks again for bringing your
  concerns to our attention. After reviewing everything, including the
  technician’s detailed notes, your signed invoice, and the follow-up estimates
  provided by our comfort advisor, I wanted to clarify a few points.
  The invoice you signed clearly
  outlines each item authorized, including the advanced leak detection,
  installation of a hard-start kit, capacitor, and refrigerant charges. Our
  technician's documentation specifically notes the leak was found within the condenser
  of your ***** system, and the other necessary repairs and their associated
  costs were explained and approved before proceeding.
  Regarding your experience with our
  comfort advisor, I reviewed the estimates that were provided. It appears we
  offered multiple options at different price points—not only the $30,000 system
  you referenced. Our records show several estimates, ranging from approximately
  $15,000 to just under $30,000, giving you flexibility and choice based on your
  needs and preferences.
  Given these documented facts and
  your clear authorization indicated by your signature, we believe the services
  and charges provided align properly with your approval. Therefore, a refund
  isn’t something we can offer in this instance.
  If you’d like to further discuss
  these details or review the alternative system options again, please feel free
  to reach out to us.
  Thank you for your understanding.
  
  
  *** *******
  HVAC Service Manager LTP Balt
  

• Initial Complaint

  Date:06/11/2025

  Type:Customer Service Issues
  Status:

  ResolvedMore info

  Complaint statuses

  Resolved:

  The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.

  Unresolved:

  The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.

  Answered:

  The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.

  Unanswered:

  The business failed to respond to the dispute.

  Unpursuable:

  BBB is unable to locate the business.

  We had a power outage on Sunday 01Jun for about 8 hours that resulted in our hot water heater ( HWH) pilot light going out. We tried to light it Monday 02Jun with no luck and noticed the status light on the HWH was not blinking at all and figured something was wrong and called Len the plumber since they installed it and we had a monthly subscription with them for a year. Len sent a technician out 03Jun and he was at the house for 3 hours (1:45-4:45 pm) and showed my husband he got the pilot light on again. The said there was no charge since we had a subscription. We did or normal nightly routine put our 2 young children to bed and decided to check on the HWH before going to bed at 9:00pm. We opened the basement door to smoke pouring out and the fire alarms going off- we saw the smoke coming from the HWH and it was on fire and still had the pilot light on and calling for hot water. We manually shut off the HWH and gas. We called and reported it to Len that same night. We called again and asked for someone to come out and that is when they sent the same tech out 05Jun and they said that they could touch the hot water heater and just took pictures and left. We have not had hot water since 01Jun and after several back and forth Len confirmed 09Jun via phone they would not be helping in any way. They said the tech just reset a button and we had to ask for the report several times before they sent to us that only says 'attempted to light pilot' and my husband saw him take apart the gas line and other things to trouble shoot and he did get the pilot light going so we said that is incorrect and said it didn't make sense that a tech would be there for 3 hours to hit a button. We just wanted a resolution but they aren't willing to acknowledge or help in any way when we have been nothing but calm and understanding and had to chase them for any type of communication. We are beyond disappointed and frankly scared a company would be this carless and no interest in a resolution.

  

  Business Response

  Date: 06/11/2025

  Although the Labor
  Warranty on this installation had expired, we did send a technician out twice at
  no charge, on 6-3-2025 and 6-4-2025, in an effort to assist this customer. The
  customer admitted to having another company retrofit the water heater, after
  our installation was complete. This action voids their manufacture warranty.
  Our technician notified the customer that they would need to reach out to the
  company that installed this fan as it did not sound in good working order. At
  that time the customer stated that he was not worried about it.
  
  We’ve since spoke with the
  manufacture, Bradford White, and have confirmed that the customers action does
  void their warranty (Reference number #**********).
  
  Again, we advised the
  customer to reach out to the company that retrofitted the water heater for
  further assistance and service. We also request that this customer notify their friends and family of the full story and ask that they take down the negative reviews online that point false blame at our company for this situation.

  

  Business Response

  Date: 06/16/2025

  This case was escalated to regional management and thoroughly reviewed. The Office manager has spoken
  to the homeowner and is in the process of issuing a refund. I've been informed that the customer has
  agreed that issuing a refund on the initial install of the water heater will be
  a resolution to the incident. Thank you.

  Customer Answer

  Date: 06/17/2025

  
  
  Better Business Bureau:
  
  
  
  I have reviewed the response made by the business in reference to complaint ID 23452755, and find that this resolution is satisfactory to me with the refund of $3118.
  
  
  
  Sincerely,
  
  
  
  ******** *******

• Initial Complaint

  Date:06/04/2025

  Type:Customer Service Issues
  Status:

  AnsweredMore info

  Complaint statuses

  Resolved:

  The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.

  Unresolved:

  The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.

  Answered:

  The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.

  Unanswered:

  The business failed to respond to the dispute.

  Unpursuable:

  BBB is unable to locate the business.

  On April 24,2025 I noticed a small drip from a pipe in my basement. I called Len The plumber and made an appointment. A tech arrived and said that it was a very minor repair which he did in about 10 minutes. Long story short, he did not fix the problem and went to my upstairs bathroom and cut a hole in back of my shower. He found nothing wrong. He then stated that he had to cut a hole in my kitchen ceiling. (I have plaster ceilings and walls). Again, no leak detected. He then stated that he would have to take down a wall in my dining room. My wife flipped out and said please call someone else. The tech called a supervisor who arrived shortly. He told the tech that you start low and then work your way upward. (The tech was very nice but very young). The supervisor found the very small leak in about 5 minutes. Another hole (approx. 10x10") had to be cut in the wall to access the leak. The leak was repaired in approx. 10 minutes. The tech apologized numerous times. I was then billed $1592.80 which i paid on two credit cards. I then had to call a repair person to patch my ceiling (which cost $585.00) I called Len The Plumber and asked to speak with someone. I spoke to Asia, who told me that I would receive an Email from a manager named ****** ******** in 24-48 hours. I received a call from him and explained that I thought it would be acceptable to split the cost of the ceiling repair since it had been unnecessary to chop a hole in my ceiling. He agreed and asked me to email him a copy of the repair invoice which I did. He emailed me on Tued, 4/29 and stated that he had received the invoice and would show it to his branch manger and get back to me with a response. It never happened. I called numerous times and nobody would help me. On 5/27 I spoke to a gentleman who eventually connected me with ****** ****** who said he was a branch manager. He listened to my story and agreed that they would split the repair bill and I would get confirm. Nothing.

  

  Business Response

  Date: 06/05/2025

  ******************Thank you so much for your patience. Our Finance Department has confirmed that they received the appropriate paperwork to process your refund on 6/1. Unfortunately, it can take up to 20 Business Days for funds to reach a customer's credit card account. We apologize for the delay but do not have any control over that time frame. Thank you.

  Customer Answer

  Date: 06/05/2025

  HI and thank you for your very quick response to my problem.  As I understand it, Len the Plumber responded and stated that my refund would take up to twenty days to process.  I never received a response from any of the numerous people I spoke to, even though I was assured that a manger would get back to me.  The last "manager" I spoke to (****** ******) fully agreed to the partial refund and told me that I would receive an email the next day with a confirmation ( I also have all of the receipts and pictures).  I have worked all of my life in the customer service industry and I have never seen such blatant follow through as displayed by Len The Plumber.  To me, this is what is wrong with businesses today.

• Initial Complaint

  Date:05/19/2025

  Type:Customer Service Issues
  Status:

  AnsweredMore info

  Complaint statuses

  Resolved:

  The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.

  Unresolved:

  The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.

  Answered:

  The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.

  Unanswered:

  The business failed to respond to the dispute.

  Unpursuable:

  BBB is unable to locate the business.

  I had an appointment to get a complete hvac system installed (inside unit, outside unit, air purifier, dehumidifier, etc. It was installed on May 9th. I notice that the air wasn't cooling off eve with the thermostat set at 65 degrees. They sent a technician out. There was a leak in the outdoor unit. All the refrigerant was gone. They said they would make a decision of what to do. Found out they were going to replace the entire system. I have asthma and it was extremely humid. They then sent another technician out to install this unit that has a tube hanging out the window, until a replacement unit could be gotten. I come home from work and that cooling system leaked water all over my wood floors. I called the company and dispatch says they have bo one that can come out and trolace the unit. "SORRY!" So my dog and I had to turn the cooling system off and use bounty paper towels to clean up the water. No one care that I cannot breathe, but they have over $15,000 in payment.

  

  Business Response

  Date: 05/23/2025

  Apologies for the delay in response. The leaking issue was resolved this past Wednesday. Regarding Ms. ************** floor, she is currently out of town and expected to return by Wednesday. Once shes back, well be able to assess any potential damage and/or additional actions needed. Thank you.

• Initial Complaint

  Date:05/14/2025

  Type:Customer Service Issues
  Status:

  AnsweredMore info

  Complaint statuses

  Resolved:

  The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.

  Unresolved:

  The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.

  Answered:

  The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.

  Unanswered:

  The business failed to respond to the dispute.

  Unpursuable:

  BBB is unable to locate the business.

  Len engages in deceptive business practices. Our air conditioning (AC) was not working, so we requested the services of Len the Plumber. We had previously been satisfied with their plumbing services, so we decided to contact them for our HVAC issue. On April 5, 2025, a Len HVAC technician replaced the HVAC motor and capacitor, which totaled $1,700. We were informed that if Len the Plumber replaced our HVAC system, the $1,700 would be credited toward the cost of the new system. We agreed to schedule a meeting with a representative to discuss the possibility of replacing the system if necessary.On or around April 13, 2025, we met with a salesman who quoted us between $10,000 and $25,000 for the new system. A few days later, when we attempted to use our AC for the first time since the technician's repairs, we were surprised to find that it still did not work; we were experiencing the same issue.We asked Len for a refund for the repairs, but they refused and insisted that the amount would be credited toward the new system. This felt deceptive because we were charged $1,700 for unnecessary repairs and were being pressured to purchase a new system in order to recoup costs we should not have incurred.Subsequently, another Len **** technician came out, identified a different problem, and fixed the system. However, *** then attempted to charge me another $800 for parts needed for the repairs. Since we refused to pay an additional $800 for parts after already spending $1,700 on unnecessary repairs that did not resolve the issue, he applied a temporary fix.Ultimately, we decided to go with another HVAC provider when we replace the system. While we loved Len's plumbing services, we found their HVAC services to be untrustworthy and deceptive.

  

  Business Response

  Date: 05/20/2025

  We have been unable to reach the customer via phone but ***** sent the following email, and we are awaiting response - 

  Dear Mr. ******************* you for taking the time to share your concerns. I am truly sorry to hear that you felt misled by your recent HVAC experience. That is never how we want any customer to feel, and I appreciate the opportunity to respond.
  On April 5, our technician diagnosed your ******* heat pump with two related issues. The capacitor had failed, and the condenser fan motor was damaged. These are common issues that often occur together. Both components were replaced, and the system was cooling properly when the technician completed the visit. If the defrost control board had been faulty at that time, the fan motor would not have received power, and the system would not have cooled. Based on the systems age and condition, the technician also recommended a conversation with a comfort advisor. This was not intended as a sales push but as a practical recommendation given the circumstances.
  
  When the system stopped cooling again a few days later, we returned on April 27. During that visit, the technician identified a new and unrelated issue. The defrost control board had failed and was no longer sending power to the fan motor. This problem was not present during the initial visit. To restore temporary cooling, the technician installed a bypass and discussed repair options. You declined the additional eight-hundred-dollar repair, so the bypass was left in place.
  As for the one thousand seven-hundred-dollar credit toward replacement, this is a courtesy we offer when major repairs are followed closely by a decision to replace the system. It is intended to help our customers avoid feeling as though they paid for both repair and replacement. This policy was clearly communicated during your first service appointment.
  We are grateful that you have had positive experiences with our plumbing team and understand your disappointment with this HVAC situation. While we regret that this experience did not meet your expectations, we stand by our technicians diagnosis, the transparency of our pricing, and the professionalism of our team. If you would like to continue the conversation, we are open and available.
  
  *** *******
  HVAC Service Manager LTP Balt

  Customer Answer

  Date: 05/28/2025

  In addition to what I already provided, here is more evidence that Len the plumber knew that they did work that was not necessary and that their practices are deceptive. I also have I additional text messages but I am going to reserve those as I seek legal counsel.  Len's response was unacceptable in this case, and if Len stands by their employees then they should stand by all their employees and not pick and choose when they contradict each other. I am going to pursue the return of funds for services that Len knew they shouldn't have done.  They merely baited me into paying for these services in order to roll it into more expensive services.

• Initial Complaint

  Date:05/13/2025

  Type:Customer Service Issues
  Status:

  ResolvedMore info

  Complaint statuses

  Resolved:

  The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.

  Unresolved:

  The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.

  Answered:

  The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.

  Unanswered:

  The business failed to respond to the dispute.

  Unpursuable:

  BBB is unable to locate the business.

  I’m seeking to obtain an invoice from Len the Plumber for plumbing work done in early April.
  I contacted the company bout sending me hard copy of the invoice but so far have received nothing.

  

  Business Response

  Date: 05/13/2025

  We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience Mr. **** has
  experienced. Upon review, we discovered that his invoice was mistakenly emailed
  on 4/22 to a non-existent email address. We
  apologize for not catching this mistake. To address the issue, we
  have escalated the matter to our branch management team. They have confirmed
  that a hard copy of the invoice is being sent by mail to ensure Mr. **** receives it promptly. We appreciate Mr. **** bringing this to our attention and
  apologize again for the delay and any frustration it may have caused.

  Customer Answer

  Date: 05/13/2025

  
  
  Better Business Bureau:
  
  
  
  I have reviewed the response made by the business in reference to complaint ID ********, and find that this resolution is satisfactory to me.
  
  
  
  
  Sincerely,
  
  
  
  ***** ****

• Initial Complaint

  Date:05/12/2025

  Type:Customer Service Issues
  Status:

  ResolvedMore info

  Complaint statuses

  Resolved:

  The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.

  Unresolved:

  The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.

  Answered:

  The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.

  Unanswered:

  The business failed to respond to the dispute.

  Unpursuable:

  BBB is unable to locate the business.

  ** Senior Citizen **Had work done on 4/11/25, consumer paid in full and business told her they would mail her a copy of receipt/invoice but hasn't received it. Consumer as call twice and spoke w/ **** and ****.

  

  Business Response

  Date: 05/12/2025

  We do apologize for this misstep. It appears that Ms. ******* invoice was emailed on 4/14 to a non-existing email account. We apologize for not catching this mistake. I've taken the liberty of uploading it here for her convenience.

  Thank you

• Initial Complaint

  Date:04/21/2025

  Type:Customer Service Issues
  Status:

  ResolvedMore info

  Complaint statuses

  Resolved:

  The complainant verified the issue was resolved to their satisfaction.

  Unresolved:

  The business responded to the dispute but failed to make a good faith effort to resolve it.

  Answered:

  The business addressed the issues within the complaint, but the consumer either a) did not accept the response, OR b) did not notify BBB as to their satisfaction.

  Unanswered:

  The business failed to respond to the dispute.

  Unpursuable:

  BBB is unable to locate the business.

  On January 23rd, 2025 I called to have a tech come out to fix a leak problem with a faucet on the back of my house. The tech put a new valve inside the house and said that would fix the problem.He charged me $428 and left. The next day, the faucet was still leaking. I called them again in late March and the tech came out on 27th. He said the charge to install new copper pipes inside and replace the pipe going outside to the house and the faucet would be $2,025.00. He showed me only part of the charges pertaining to the pipes and faucet and the "customer discount'' and asked me to sign on his tablet. He did the repairs and left and said he would e-mail me a copy of the invoice. I opened it on my computer and realized he charged us $300 to "check a leak in the gas line" We do not have gas, the house is all electric. I called their office and they said they would refund the charge. I heard nothing from them and did not get a check. I printed a copy of the invoice for March 27th and realized they had also charged us $671 for "a one year parts and labor warranty, which we did not request. 4/1/25, again on 4/9/25 after I did not receive a check. I spoke to the Office Manager, A **** ***** and while I was talking with her, the Tech Manager,a ******* came on and said, "this is totally unacceptable, we don't do business this way, I"m going to get to the bottom of this. I asked if they were going to refund the $971 and he said, "Yes, but since you paid by check, it will take two days. I did not get a check. I tied calling the **** ****** on 4/16/25 and was told she was on the phone but would call me back with two days. As of this date, no one called and I did not receive the Refund. I feel we have been overcharged drastically and should be reimbursed or at the very least advised in writing as to why they have not sent a refund.

  

  Business Response

  Date: 04/25/2025

  In reviewing concerns with the customer, we have come to a resolution and will process a refund for the agreed upon amount. Note that,while we have begun the process, funds can take up 3-4 weeks to  actually reach a customers account. Thank you.

  Customer Answer

  Date: 04/25/2025

   
  Better Business Bureau:
  
  I have reviewed the response made by the business in reference to complaint ID ********, and find that this resolution is satisfactory to me.
  
  Sincerely,
  
  ******* ********